How closely related can embodied aesthetic pleasure be to more ideational, abstract pleasure? Obviously all pleasure, all feelings, everything, is embodied – there is no split between mind and body. But still, the way one experiences, say, sex, and the way one experiences a work of conceptual art is quite different. I guess I mean that if you have some quite specific abstract ideas about, for instance, the structure of narrative, how does that link up to experiences centered more directly in the body? If you enjoy the lack of narrative closure over a more conventional kind of ending, can that be related to how you enjoy the purposeful ruining of the supposedly “logical” ending of a sexual act? Even though I can enjoy any traditional closed ending of any novel or movie I find that an ending that, more than just being open, frustrates meaning, is paradoxical, contradictory, and uncomfortable is more enjoyable, even if that enjoyment is also in a very real sense a suffering. It is an ending, of course, but at the same time it is not. And I find that kind of an ending seems to lead to more, more work, more creativity, more pleasure (even if, again, tinged with pain).

– J Lundberg


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